Respect for Ulama: Earned or Requested for?Pakatan to avoid Islamic state debate at convention
Anwar played down talk about PASs latest insistence on an Islamic state should the opposition win the next general election. File picKUALA LUMPUR, Dec 11 As expected, Pakatan Rakyat (PR) will avoid touchy issues such as PASs renewed push for an Islamic state during its upcoming convention, focusing instead on issues of mutual interest.PR de facto leader Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim played down talk about PASs latest insistence on the formation of an Islamic state should the opposition take over Putrajaya, saying that the convention was no place to bring up the matter.
In the meeting, Hadi was there, Mustafa Ali was there and they explained that the issue that will be focused on is common issues. Why should we bring up issues which have no mutual consensus. Our decision as Pakatan Rakyat is based on consensus, Anwar told reporters after a PR council meeting today.
The opposition leader took great pains to explain that this did not mean that PR did not place any emphasis on Islam as the official religion in the country.
The issue of solidifying Islam is within the framework of the constitution and I feel it is important, as a Muslim.
However (for the convention) we as PR will move together on issues, agendas that we have consensus, said Anwar.
Fully aware of the opposition to an Islamic state, PAS has insisted on pushing for such a state with hudud law to be implemented in stages if it wins the snap polls widely speculated for early next year.
Hadi said there was a lack of understanding about the concept of an Islamic state. File picPAS president Datuk Seri Abdul Hadi Awang had admitted the concept had y! et to ga in significant traction among even PR component parties, but claimed that opposition towards the idea was only because there was a lack of understanding about the concept.
The veteran leader told The Malaysian Insider recently that the Islamist party would focus on introducing such laws in PAS-governed states like Kelantan and Kedah first, to allow Malaysians to evaluate the merits of Islamic and hudud law.
It has to be done in stages. We will implement this stage by stage because we have to realise the first thing that needs to be understood is the word Islam itself. Islam cannot be defined as a religion because the word religion in itself does not fully define Islam.
Islam is not just a religion but also a way of life, and it encompasses all aspects of daily life, said Hadi in an exclusive interview with The Malaysian Insider this week.
He had said that the federalism model practised by Malaysia would enable PAS to slowly enforce relevant Islamic and hudud laws in states which were currently under PAS.
Hadi, who was also present during the PR press conference today, did not elaborate on his earlier remarks about the Islamic state.
Instead, the PAS chief only said that the convention would be a progression from last years annual meet, but did not elaborate any further.
We will move from the Shah Alam resolution, which is based on the constitution. Umno, on the other hand, has failed to uphold the principles of Islam, he said.
Hadi also brushed aside talk about a non-Malay being offered a deputy prime ministers post should the opposition bloc win the next general election.
We will follow what is stated in the constitution in this. We have not yet won, or assumed power, so we cannot do it yet, cannot talk about it yet. We do it based on the federal constitution, he said.
Utusan Malaysia had recently quoted Anwar as saying in a Sin Chew daily interview as guaranteeing DAPs Lim Kit Siang the DPM post should PR take over Putrajaya.
However, An! war late r clarified that every coalition leader, regardless of race, had a shot at becoming deputy prime minister so long as the decision was made with consensus among PR component parties.
Lim said the DPM post was never discussed in the leadership council. File picThe DPM post was never discussed in the leadership council, except that we agreed that whatever appointment will be based on the constitution, said Lim, who was also present at todays press conference.
Anwar also said that PR had yet to decide on its official logo, adding that the three parties had not decided on it yet. He did not however elaborate why an agreement could not be reached over the design of the PR logo.
Asked whether PR had already decided on its seat allocation for the upcoming polls, Lim said that PR had not reached that stage yet.
We have not reached that stage yet, we have not discussed the actual seat allocation and we will deal with it after the convention, said the DAP adviser.
Anwar told reporters that the upcoming convention will focus on the details of PRs agenda, its understanding of the constitution as well as economic and education issues.
In terms of having a formal economic policy, we are still looking at a final draft but what we can see is that there is a consensus in some aspects of the economy, principles of federalism and other issues which will be announced later, possibly before the convention, because we have a PR leadership council meeting on Wednesday in Parliament, said the Permatang Pauh MP.
The coalition began as an informal gathering of three parties PAS-PKR-DAP in April 2008 following Election 2008.
It currently leads the state administrations of Kelantan, Kedah, Penang and Selangor, and holds 77 parliamentary seats.
By Dr Wasim Ahmad,
There is a discussion currently going on initiated by a request Please respect our Ulam! a. We sh ould respect all human beings including the traditionally and modern educated. Having said that, please allow me to assert that respect is earned more than requested for. Do we ever need to start a campaign for increased awareness about the importance of sun, air, water and light etc? We dont.
Not realizing the fact that we have to discover the laws of nature and use them for our benefit we start fighting with the same. Why dont we argue that we should give respect to our modern educated? Why dont we campaign for giving respect to our scientists and engineers? There is something missing here. Our very assertion and request that we should respect our Ulama shows an inherent weakness. Instead of trying our best to find out the reasons of this weakness and removing it we start a misplaced campaign. Again it reinforces the fact that we learn wrong lessons from the right stories. The law of nature is that we give respect to those who are not easily replaceable. In order to cross-check this law of nature we just need to look around ourselves.
There is a locality in Bombay of wealthy Muslims. They had an Imam who in one of the Friday sermons spoke quite openly about those who do not give Zakat. He warned of its consequences. Before the time of Salaat al-Asr, the Imam was dismissed. After the dismissal he resolved to expose everybody. My question is why he did not expose those very people earlier? Anyhow, after his dismissal, many others made a beeline for the same position. What does it indicate? It indicates that our Ulama of today are easily replaceable. If this is the case then we are fighting a losing battle. But we are used to fighting such battles. Because we dont think twice about what we say, write and do.
On the other hand, I would like to understand how will the Ulama be able to EARN genuine respect by continuing the deep divide between deen and dunyaa? By carrying on with the division between deeni and dunyaawee uloom? How will they earn genuine respect by contributing to the margi! nalizati on of Indian Muslims? How will they earn the well deserved
respect by not speaking a language which the masses understand?
How will they earn genuine respect without educating the masses that the latter do not need to depend upon them? How will they earn genuine respect without instilling in the minds of Muslims the real concept of knowledge? How will they earn genuine respect without communicating with the modern educated and taking them along in all the worthwhile efforts and not considering them counterparts or others?
How will they earn genuine respect without thinking seriously how to teach Arabic to ALL the Muslim kids and not only to 3-4% of them? How will they earn genuine respect without giving a clear direction and a VISION to the Muslims that holding Quran in the Right Hand and most modern scientific and technological advancements in the Left Hand they need to and can become leaders of the world?
How will they earn genuine respect without issuing the fataawaa which are prospective in nature and NOT retrospective? How will they earn genuine respect without making us look forward and not backward? How will they or anyone else earn genuine respect by quoting more and relating less? And applying even further less? How will they earn genuine respect while being conditioned to a lot many factors and merely living in the past? How will they earn genuine respect while bringing to the market that currency which was current in some past century?
Let us start from the fact that respect is earned. It is not requested for. If we will believe in this law of nature we will do our best to make the situation better by making whatever adjustments required. If we are really interested in giving genuine respect to all our educated we need to create that educational environment wherein they actually earn it by contributing their maximum to the life as a whole. readmore LAUREN BOOTH Convert to Islam, and insanity ensues
Respect for Ulama: Earned or Requested for?Pakatan to avoid Islamic state debate at convention
Anwar played down talk about PASs latest insistence on an Islamic state should the opposition win the next general election. File picKUALA LUMPUR, Dec 11 As expected, Pakatan Rakyat (PR) will avoid touchy issues such as PASs renewed push for an Islamic state during its upcoming convention, focusing instead on issues of mutual interest.PR de facto leader Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim played down talk about PASs latest insistence on the formation of an Islamic state should the opposition take over Putrajaya, saying that the convention was no place to bring up the matter.
In the meeting, Hadi was there, Mustafa Ali was there and they explained that the issue that will be focused on is common issues. Why should we bring up issues which have no mutual consensus. Our decision as Pakatan Rakyat is based on consensus, Anwar told reporters after a PR council meeting today.
The opposition leader took great pains to explain that this did not mean that PR did not place any emphasis on Islam as the official religion in the country.
The issue of solidifying Islam is within the framework of the constitution and I feel it is important, as a Muslim.
However (for the convention) we as PR will move together on issues, agendas that we have consensus, said Anwar.
Fully aware of the opposition to an Islamic state, PAS has insisted on pushing for such a state with hudud law to be implemented in stages if it wins the snap polls widely speculated for early next year.
Hadi said there was a lack of understanding about the concept of an Islamic state. File picPAS president Datuk Seri Abdul Hadi Awang had admitted the concept had y! et to ga in significant traction among even PR component parties, but claimed that opposition towards the idea was only because there was a lack of understanding about the concept.
The veteran leader told The Malaysian Insider recently that the Islamist party would focus on introducing such laws in PAS-governed states like Kelantan and Kedah first, to allow Malaysians to evaluate the merits of Islamic and hudud law.
It has to be done in stages. We will implement this stage by stage because we have to realise the first thing that needs to be understood is the word Islam itself. Islam cannot be defined as a religion because the word religion in itself does not fully define Islam.
Islam is not just a religion but also a way of life, and it encompasses all aspects of daily life, said Hadi in an exclusive interview with The Malaysian Insider this week.
He had said that the federalism model practised by Malaysia would enable PAS to slowly enforce relevant Islamic and hudud laws in states which were currently under PAS.
Hadi, who was also present during the PR press conference today, did not elaborate on his earlier remarks about the Islamic state.
Instead, the PAS chief only said that the convention would be a progression from last years annual meet, but did not elaborate any further.
We will move from the Shah Alam resolution, which is based on the constitution. Umno, on the other hand, has failed to uphold the principles of Islam, he said.
Hadi also brushed aside talk about a non-Malay being offered a deputy prime ministers post should the opposition bloc win the next general election.
We will follow what is stated in the constitution in this. We have not yet won, or assumed power, so we cannot do it yet, cannot talk about it yet. We do it based on the federal constitution, he said.
Utusan Malaysia had recently quoted Anwar as saying in a Sin Chew daily interview as guaranteeing DAPs Lim Kit Siang the DPM post should PR take over Putrajaya.
However, An! war late r clarified that every coalition leader, regardless of race, had a shot at becoming deputy prime minister so long as the decision was made with consensus among PR component parties.
Lim said the DPM post was never discussed in the leadership council. File picThe DPM post was never discussed in the leadership council, except that we agreed that whatever appointment will be based on the constitution, said Lim, who was also present at todays press conference.
Anwar also said that PR had yet to decide on its official logo, adding that the three parties had not decided on it yet. He did not however elaborate why an agreement could not be reached over the design of the PR logo.
Asked whether PR had already decided on its seat allocation for the upcoming polls, Lim said that PR had not reached that stage yet.
We have not reached that stage yet, we have not discussed the actual seat allocation and we will deal with it after the convention, said the DAP adviser.
Anwar told reporters that the upcoming convention will focus on the details of PRs agenda, its understanding of the constitution as well as economic and education issues.
In terms of having a formal economic policy, we are still looking at a final draft but what we can see is that there is a consensus in some aspects of the economy, principles of federalism and other issues which will be announced later, possibly before the convention, because we have a PR leadership council meeting on Wednesday in Parliament, said the Permatang Pauh MP.
The coalition began as an informal gathering of three parties PAS-PKR-DAP in April 2008 following Election 2008.
It currently leads the state administrations of Kelantan, Kedah, Penang and Selangor, and holds 77 parliamentary seats.
By Dr Wasim Ahmad,
There is a discussion currently going on initiated by a request Please respect our Ulam! a. We sh ould respect all human beings including the traditionally and modern educated. Having said that, please allow me to assert that respect is earned more than requested for. Do we ever need to start a campaign for increased awareness about the importance of sun, air, water and light etc? We dont.
Not realizing the fact that we have to discover the laws of nature and use them for our benefit we start fighting with the same. Why dont we argue that we should give respect to our modern educated? Why dont we campaign for giving respect to our scientists and engineers? There is something missing here. Our very assertion and request that we should respect our Ulama shows an inherent weakness. Instead of trying our best to find out the reasons of this weakness and removing it we start a misplaced campaign. Again it reinforces the fact that we learn wrong lessons from the right stories. The law of nature is that we give respect to those who are not easily replaceable. In order to cross-check this law of nature we just need to look around ourselves.
There is a locality in Bombay of wealthy Muslims. They had an Imam who in one of the Friday sermons spoke quite openly about those who do not give Zakat. He warned of its consequences. Before the time of Salaat al-Asr, the Imam was dismissed. After the dismissal he resolved to expose everybody. My question is why he did not expose those very people earlier? Anyhow, after his dismissal, many others made a beeline for the same position. What does it indicate? It indicates that our Ulama of today are easily replaceable. If this is the case then we are fighting a losing battle. But we are used to fighting such battles. Because we dont think twice about what we say, write and do.
On the other hand, I would like to understand how will the Ulama be able to EARN genuine respect by continuing the deep divide between deen and dunyaa? By carrying on with the division between deeni and dunyaawee uloom? How will they earn genuine respect by contributing to the margi! nalizati on of Indian Muslims? How will they earn the well deserved
respect by not speaking a language which the masses understand?
How will they earn genuine respect without educating the masses that the latter do not need to depend upon them? How will they earn genuine respect without instilling in the minds of Muslims the real concept of knowledge? How will they earn genuine respect without communicating with the modern educated and taking them along in all the worthwhile efforts and not considering them counterparts or others?
How will they earn genuine respect without thinking seriously how to teach Arabic to ALL the Muslim kids and not only to 3-4% of them? How will they earn genuine respect without giving a clear direction and a VISION to the Muslims that holding Quran in the Right Hand and most modern scientific and technological advancements in the Left Hand they need to and can become leaders of the world?
How will they earn genuine respect without issuing the fataawaa which are prospective in nature and NOT retrospective? How will they earn genuine respect without making us look forward and not backward? How will they or anyone else earn genuine respect by quoting more and relating less? And applying even further less? How will they earn genuine respect while being conditioned to a lot many factors and merely living in the past? How will they earn genuine respect while bringing to the market that currency which was current in some past century?
Let us start from the fact that respect is earned. It is not requested for. If we will believe in this law of nature we will do our best to make the situation better by making whatever adjustments required. If we are really interested in giving genuine respect to all our educated we need to create that educational environment wherein they actually earn it by contributing their maximum to the life as a whole. readmore LAUREN BOOTH Convert to Islam, and insanity ensues
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